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+= HB 180 MILITARY YOUTH ACADEMY TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 180 Out of Committee
+ HB 190 CREDIT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOL COURSES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 12, 2013                                                                                         
                           8:00 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Mike Dunleavy, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Charlie Huggins                                                                                                         
Senator Berta Gardner                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 180                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy; and                                                                     
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 180 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 190(EDC)                                                                                
"An Act providing for course credit in secondary school based on                                                                
demonstrated mastery of the subject."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 180                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MILITARY YOUTH ACADEMY                                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) T.WILSON                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
03/20/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/20/13       (H)       MLV                                                                                                    
03/26/13       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/26/13       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/26/13       (H)       MINUTE(MLV)                                                                                            
03/27/13       (H)       MLV RPT 7DP                                                                                            
03/27/13       (H)       DP:    REINBOLD,     HUGHES,    HIGGINS,                                                               
                         GRUENBERG, SADDLER, LEDOUX, FOSTER                                                                     
04/01/13       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/01/13       (H)       VERSION: HB 180                                                                                        
04/02/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/02/13       (S)       STA                                                                                                    
04/03/13       (S)       STA REFERRAL WAIVED                                                                                    
04/03/13       (S)       EDC REFERRAL ADDED                                                                                     
04/05/13       (S)       EDC AT 8:00 AM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
04/05/13       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/05/13       (S)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/12/13       (S)       EDC AT 8:00 AM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 190                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CREDIT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOL COURSES                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) SEATON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
03/28/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/28/13       (H)       EDC                                                                                                    
04/03/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/03/13       (H)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
04/05/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/05/13       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/05/13       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/08/13       (H)       EDC RPT CS(EDC) 4DP 1NR 1AM                                                                            
04/08/13       (H)       DP: LEDOUX, SEATON, DRUMMOND, GATTIS                                                                   
04/08/13       (H)       NR: SADDLER                                                                                            
04/08/13       (H)       AM: P.WILSON                                                                                           
04/08/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/08/13       (H)       Moved CSHB 190(EDC) Out of Committee                                                                   
04/08/13       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/11/13       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/11/13       (H)       VERSION: CSHB 190(EDC)                                                                                 
04/11/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/11/13       (S)       EDC                                                                                                    
04/12/13       (S)       EDC AT 8:00 AM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TAMMIE WILSON                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 180.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MCHUGH PIERRE, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Military & Veterans Affairs                                                                                
Fort Richardson, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided information related to HB 180.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL SEATON                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 190.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LES MORSE, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                  
Department of Education & Early Development                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to HB 190.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. HERB SCHROEDER, Executive Director                                                                                          
Alaska Native Science and Engineering Program (ANSEP)                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Association of School Administrators                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:00:25 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GARY   STEVENS  called   the  Senate   Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 8:00  a.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Gardner,  Stedman,  Huggins, Dunleavy,  and                                                               
Chair Stevens.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                 HB 180-MILITARY YOUTH ACADEMY                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:00:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS announced the consideration of HB 180.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TAMMIE  WILSON, sponsor  of HB  180, said  this is                                                               
the  only program  that she  is aware  of that  works to  put the                                                               
students back into  their community with a mentor  to ensure they                                                               
finish  high  school or  help  them  go  into the  military.  She                                                               
stressed the importance of funding a successful program.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  asked  about  the   results  seen  from  tracking                                                               
graduates of the Academy.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:02:38 AM                                                                                                                    
MCHUGH   PIERRE,  Deputy   Commissioner,  Alaska   Department  of                                                               
Military & Veterans Affairs, noted  that a cadet is tracked after                                                               
graduation for one  year and then the success of  that student is                                                               
determined. Cadets are  required to check in a minimum  of once a                                                               
month for a  year. He noted there  is a 95 to  97 percent success                                                               
rate. Graduates are placed in jobs of  30 hours or more, or go to                                                               
college and take  12 or more credits, or are  in the military. He                                                               
said the bill will allow the Academy to go to the next level.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  commented that  it is nice  to hear  how graduates                                                               
are doing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARDNER asked  about the  student-to-adult ratio  at the                                                               
Academy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PIERRE replied  that the ratio was 25 students  to 1 teacher;                                                               
however  there are  90 employees.  There are  202 cadets,  so the                                                               
ratio  is 2.2  students to  every  adult. He  explained that  the                                                               
training was very "hands on."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:05:36 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNLEAVY spoke  highly of the program and  said it should                                                               
be expanded. He stated he  believes in multiple education models.                                                               
He  stressed  that  the students  deserved  the  opportunity  for                                                               
success.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS   asked  if   expansion  of   the  program   is  a                                                               
possibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PIERRE  said  yes.  He  added that  HB  180  would  allow  a                                                               
discussion about  expansion. The way  the budget works  now would                                                               
not make expansion possible.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked if expansion might occur in Fairbanks.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PIERRE  answered yes. Expansion  was considered  in 2005-2006                                                               
for Galena  and for Fairbanks.  There were National  Guard Bureau                                                               
facility  requirements that  did  not allow  that  to happen.  He                                                               
pointed out that  there might be space at Eielson  Air Force Base                                                               
in the future, if the need arises.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARDNER asked what the male-female ratio is.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PIERRE said it is roughly 70 males to 30 females.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:09:14 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GARDNER  noted her experience  as a guardian ad  litem of                                                               
children in state  custody. She recalled that  several parents of                                                               
these children enrolled in the Academy and were very successful.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS closed public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:10:11 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY moved  to  report HB  180  from committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations  and  attached  fiscal  notes.  There                                                               
being  no  objection,  HB  180   was  reported  from  the  Senate                                                               
Education Committee.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:10:30 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
           HB 190-CREDIT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOL COURSES                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:12:11 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS called the committee  back to order and stated that                                                               
the next  order of business  would be  HB 190. [CSHB  90(EDC) was                                                               
before the committee.]                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PAUL  SEATON,  sponsor,  introduced  HB  190.  He                                                               
related that  the need  for the  legislation became  obvious when                                                               
the  Alaska  Native  Science   and  Engineering  Program  (ANSEP)                                                               
testified  before the  House  Education  Committee. Students  who                                                               
took calculus in  college, which is equivalent to a  full year of                                                               
high school math, were given only  one semester credit due to the                                                               
lack of  seat time according  to school district policy.  He said                                                               
that HB 190 allows students  who demonstrate mastery of a subject                                                               
to  challenge and  test out  of high  school courses  and receive                                                               
academic credit. Each school district  can determine criteria for                                                               
demonstrating mastery. It requires  that school districts have an                                                               
assessment tool for challenging the courses.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said the  credits in the bill would apply  to the requirements                                                               
of the Alaska Performance Scholarship,  but would not necessarily                                                               
factor into  the GPA. The bill  does not attempt to  offer credit                                                               
for pre-requisite courses.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  noted it  varies by  district  as to  whether they  currently                                                               
offer  such  an  opportunity  to   challenge  credits.  The  bill                                                               
provides a  unified, statewide  approach toward  keeping students                                                               
engaged  in  learning  challenging materials  and  receiving  due                                                               
credit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He referred to an example of  the "Credit by Choice" program from                                                               
the Anchorage School District. He  noted that some classes cannot                                                               
be exempted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:16:57 AM                                                                                                                    
He clarified on page 1, line 10,  of the bill that "it's within a                                                               
reasonable  time"  and  on  line 11,  "courses  provided  by  the                                                               
district that  are likely  to be,  or have  been, the  subject of                                                               
challenge requested under this section."  He summarized that when                                                               
students  are ready  to have  mastery  of the  subject, they  can                                                               
challenge.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:17:31 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS clarified  that the standards would  not be reduced                                                               
or be made easier.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  agreed. He  explained that  success should                                                               
not be  measured by  seat time. An  alternative must  be provided                                                               
for students who have demonstrated mastery of a subject.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked how small districts would handle this.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON explained that  the bill applies to courses                                                               
that a district offers.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:19:40 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNLEAVY stated  that the two bills  before the committee                                                               
will  help  students.  He  discussed  College  Level  Examination                                                               
Placement (CLEP), as  it applied to foreign  exchange students in                                                               
the   Mat-Su  School   District.   He   spoke  positively   about                                                               
performance-based outcome programs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS voiced  support for the idea behind  the bill. He                                                               
addressed  various levels  of educational  control and  asked why                                                               
legislation is required.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:22:47 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GARDNER   noted  the  concept  of   adverse  incentives,                                                               
comparing  the  student's  and  the  district's  incentives.  She                                                               
pointed  out  that some  students  could  pass a  course  without                                                               
having  taken it,  such as  composition;  however, she  suggested                                                               
there would be  benefits to taking the course. She  noted she has                                                               
mixed  feelings  about students  testing  out  of many  of  their                                                               
classes  because she  prefers that  students  excel, rather  than                                                               
meet standards.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:24:14 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON replied  that he  understood what  Senator                                                               
Gardner was addressing.  He explained that the intent  was to see                                                               
students  excel and  to test  out  of classes  they have  already                                                               
mastered.  He suggested  that the  bill  would encourage  mastery                                                               
rather  than a  pass/fail grade.  It is  up to  the districts  to                                                               
decide the level of mastery.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:27:02 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GARDNER  summarized that a  district could set  the level                                                               
of mastery.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said that is correct.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:27:31 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  STEVENS clarified  that districts  would be  encouraged to                                                               
solve the issue, not mandate it.  He suggested that CLEP might be                                                               
the solution for some districts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNLEAVY  commended Representative  Seaton for  the bill.                                                               
He   encouraged  districts   to  move   toward  performance-based                                                               
learning as a means of saving money.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:29:33 AM                                                                                                                    
LES MORSE,  Deputy Commissioner, Department of  Education & Early                                                               
Development,  offered to  answer  questions. He  stated that  the                                                               
issue is a district responsibility.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked if  the smaller  districts should  work with                                                               
the larger districts to find solutions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MORSE said  yes. He  noted  that the  department could  help                                                               
facilitate that communication.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  how widespread CLEP is used  in Alaska. He                                                               
recalled how the Army used CLEP.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:32:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. MORSE  replied that he was  unable to comment on  CLEP usage.                                                               
He said he has heard that  students use it primarily for language                                                               
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HERB SCHROEDER,  Executive Director,  Alaska Native  Science                                                               
and Engineering  Program (ANSEP),  thanked the committee  for its                                                               
work and for  the citation honoring ANSEP. He  related that ANSEP                                                               
allows students  from anywhere in  the state to  complete courses                                                               
necessary to earn the Alaska  Performance Scholarship by bringing                                                               
students into  Anchorage where they complete  university classes.                                                               
The  problem for  many  students  was that  they  were not  given                                                               
equivalent  high school  credit for  the university  credits they                                                               
earned.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCHROEDER  gave  an  example  of  a  student  who  completed                                                               
numerous college  math courses  that were  not recognized  by the                                                               
student's high school.  He said that HB 190  provides a mechanism                                                               
for students  to earn the  correct number of high  school credits                                                               
for completing  a university  course. He  noted that,  over time,                                                               
many students will be able to graduate from high school early.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:35:22 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  STEVENS summarized  that there  is antipathy  between high                                                               
school educators and college courses.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. SCHROEDER  agreed. He  said it  appears to  be a  "seat time"                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNLEAVY  noted he has  difficulty with the  logic behind                                                               
seat time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON,  Executive Director, Alaska Association  of School                                                               
Administrators, testified  in support  of continuous  progress in                                                               
moving kids forward  on a level that is appropriate  for them. He                                                               
said  that  since the  mid-nineties  the  Lower Kuskokwim  School                                                               
District has had a continuous  improvement model where kids could                                                               
take an assessment  delivered at the district  level to determine                                                               
their  placement  in coursework.  From  that  point forward,  the                                                               
students could  challenge courses.  Standards have  pushed school                                                               
districts in  this direction. He  noted that standards  are going                                                               
to become more rigorous with the implementation of Common Core.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He suggested that  school districts would not be  resistant to HB
190. Many schools are already teaching multiple level courses.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:39:12 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY  asked  if  Common  Core  standards  are  being                                                               
adopted in Alaska.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. JOHNSON  said yes.  He added  that the  state plans  to adopt                                                               
assessments that test the Common Core.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked about binding state policies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. JOHNSON  replied that he  suspected that this  proposal could                                                               
be  done  through regulation  at  the  department level  or  each                                                               
district could assume the responsibility at the local level.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:41:14 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS  concluded that  HB 190  would not  be a  burden to                                                               
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. JOHNSON agreed. He noted that schools could share                                                                           
information and adopt an assessment as the need arises.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNLEAVY suggested the CLEPS program could also be used.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He asked where NEA stands on the bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS acknowledged a "thumbs up" from NEA.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:42:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS held HB 190 in committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:42:59 AM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the Senate                                                                       
Education Standing Committee, Chair Stevens adjourned the                                                                       
hearing at 8:42 a.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
04120213_HB190_BillText_VersionA.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_Explanation of Changes - CS House EDC.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_BillText_VersionU.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_FiscalNote_DEED1.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_PolicyExample_Anchorage SD Credit By Choice.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_Sponsor Statement.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_SupportLetter_Gene Stone MSBSD.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_SupportLetter_Herb Schroeder ANSEP.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04122013_HB190_SupportLetter_Steve Atwater KPBSD.pdf SEDC 4/12/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190